#8 How To Transition from Solopreneur to Scaling your Business (Part 1 with Briony from Untapped)
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Part 1 of 2.
On today's episode, we have a fellow kiwi, Briony from Untapped. Briony is an incredible human and inspiring entrepreneur, life and business coach for ambitious women.
Her company, Untapped is focused on holistic personal growth and supporting people in pillars of an Untapped life. In this first episode, we talk about why Briony left her corporate Law job to become a Coach and how she navigated that transition phase.
We also dive into Mindset and Wealth Energetics, how to make decisions from a place of deep trust and intuition so you can make better decisions faster and change your mind less often.
This episode is for anyone transitioning from being a freelancer or solopreneur to scaling your business, building a team and what it takes to break through that level of stagnation and upper limit ceiling to reach that next level of growth.
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Episode Transcript
Emily Peilan: Hello, my beautiful friends. I'm super excited to share today's podcast guest with you. We have a fellow Kiwi with us today, Briony from Untapped, who is a holistic, well Untapped is a holistic personal growth company supporting people in pillars of an Untapped life. And Briony, she is an incredible human and inspiring entrepreneur, life and business coach for ambitious women.
So I first met Briony recently actually, and her partner Delaney. At a cafe in Ksh, guys for lunch and basically from the get-go I was so intrigued and fascinated by their perspectives and the way they think and the work that they share. It's so, just blow blew my mind. And the next four hours, just like zoomed by, we moved through so many topics and these guys just dropped so many gem bombs on me that day, and they have such an inspiring story.
All I could think was how epic it would be to capture even a slither of that conversation and share it with more people. So I'm super grateful to get the chance to have Briony on the podcast with us today. This is actually part one of our epic conversation with Briony from Untapped. Originally, I did promise her it would only be 30 to 40 minutes.
But we ended up chatting for about an hour and 40 minutes and she just dropped so many like gem bombs that I decided to break it up into two parts. So if you love this episode and found it super valuable, then I'd highly recommend you check out part two, which is gonna blow your mind even more as we explore the concept of quantum leaping.
However, in this first episode, we talk about how she went from being a lawyer back in New Zealand to becoming a life coach and how she navigated that transition phase. We also dive into mindset and wealth energetics, how to make decisions from a place of deep trust and intuition so you can make better decisions faster, change your mind less often, transitioning from solopreneur to scaling your business as well, which is a big one.
And. How to build a team and what it takes to break through that next level, that level of stagnation, and then reach that next level of growth. So we packed so much into this episode, and without further ado, let's dive into it.
Briony: Yay. Yes, thank you. . So good. Yeah.
Emily Peilan: What you currently do now. Like when people ask you like, what do you do, ?
Briony: I love that. How do you even explain that . I love that. So I think a few years ago I would've said, I'm a coach and I think I am a coach.
That's my modality, that's my passion, that's my love. I truly just believe that people, we are all better with the supported mentors community, and that's what I love being able to do, is support people to really figure out what it is they truly want that's authentically aligned, and then remove anything that's not that.
Yeah. And that's the commitment of our work so that everyone can live their most expanded, aligned, authentic life. And when we have a whole world that's doing that, we have a better world, , you know, and a better impact. So our work through Untapped is that in many ways, through whether it be through wealth, through relationships, through business, the content.
is less relevant than the actual mission of what we are doing. But the last couple of years I noticed my language change from a coach to a, to a founder of, of a coaching company because my role evolved in business. One of my things I love is building programs, and then I found myself actually building a company and teaming and systems and all these things.
So now I would create that. I'm a founder of Untapped and we use training and coaching modalities to support people. Yeah. So when you
Emily Peilan: say language, you mean like that shift in language or,
Briony: yeah, just when more coaching people, the language changes, I think shift in how I relate to myself and myself as an entrepreneur.
Because originally I think that's the confidence. And as you grow in business as well, I know a lot of people when they start things, they relate to themselves as it's like a hobby. Yeah. You're like, oh, it's just a hobby. It's a side hustle. And personally, I hate the word side hustle. I'm like, firstly, it's not on the side.
It's usually your soul's mission, those things that you're doing. And secondly, why are we calling it a hustle? You know, , it's like, I know there's So, I think as I grew in business, my relationship to who I was in the world and what we were creating changed. Yeah. And it went from like this hobby, this interest to like, I'm just a coach.
Yeah. To like, actually this is a company and this is a mission, and I think there's something, you know, we have to grow into those new identities. Yeah. But that was huge for me, and that's something I work on with clients is like, you can call yourself a business owner and an entrepreneur and a founder.
Yeah. If. early. You don't have to wait for any permission to do that either.
Emily Peilan: Totally. Yeah, totally. But I think also like as everybody goes through, it's almost like you have to go through that stage of like imposter ish syndrome, and then you come out the other side, like with more experience comes, confidence comes like, okay, like I can totally own it now.
Yeah. But, but obviously like nobody starts up like, I swear and nobody starts up like that. I have not met a single person who's just like, I started off and I felt confident in this, who I was. So, so like was it your side hustle at the start and like how many years was that before you, like kind of
Briony: Yeah, I have quite a all or nothing.
. Tendency is the word I was looking for. Yeah. All or nothing. It has served me and it has also been a deep shadow and deep wound that I've had to work on a lot because. It only gets you so far. It can be really limiting. It can be really expansive as well. But for me it was about 10 years ago I was working, can't believe it's that long ago now, but I was working, leaving university, going to my first job as a corporate lawyer.
And I had just followed a really traditional path. I just followed what was expected of me, what I thought success was, what I'd been told success was. And I got my validation from society, from being a high performing person, from having the job, having the apartment, having the partner. That's literally how I sourced my identity.
And I didn't actually think there was anything wrong with it at that point. , it was kind of worked. Yeah, I think. Yeah, totally. But for some reason I felt completely empty and unfulfilled from this entire trajectory in life. I'd been told would make me X, Y, and Z. And when you, I think when you get to those moments in life where that happens, that's where it really.
Everything kind of crumbles because you've had this perception of when I get there, then I'm gonna feel X And life doesn't even work that way. And the goalpost just moves anyway.
Emily Peilan: Yeah. You get there and you're like, I feel so lied to. Well, actually when you discover all of it was just built on like kind of lies, but you're just like, I feel like Yeah.
You just feel so lied to. Yeah. Yeah. They told me success was like this.
Briony: Exactly. And to yourself. Yeah. Like the amount of inauthenticities or like not making online decisions all the way along, or ignoring your intuition and the
Emily Peilan: sacrifices you've had to make for this version of success. And then getting there and feeling like empty.
Like, that's so sad. .
Briony: It is. It is. And it wakes you up to, okay, what's really going on here? Yeah. Like we always say that life like that is life by default. Yeah. It's just you, you woke up, you wondered how you ended up there. Yeah. Your ladder was against the wrong wall, but you were climbing. And then actually life by design is.
Consciously and intentionally taking that time as you go. Yeah. And so that's how I ended up in the personal growth. I wouldn't say industry at that point, just doing that work on myself. Yeah. Because I was like, okay, something doesn't make sense here. .
Emily Peilan: So it's kind of like a blessing cuz you got to that point, you kind of had this other people's society's definition of success and you're like, oh, I don't feel fulfilled.
If you hadn't felt that, maybe you wouldn't have gotten into the work that you do now.
Briony: Definitely. I don't think so at all. Yeah. So it led me to my greatest passion and love. And I remember the first time I was at a seminar and I saw someone speaking and I saw them coaching, I saw them, this person on stage, the coach was asking them these particular questions and this whole person's brain just, you could see their whole mind just explode and open in a moment through question asking.
Yeah. Not through telling, not through lecturing, through question, just these potent questions. And this person was like, and just they got their whole world. They got what? How they held themselves back, what they wanted to create. Wow. What was really going on, , and I was just watching it unfold, like, what is happening here?
Not at one point did I think I'm going to do that because I was still so deeply programmed to be unaware or maybe a consumption that was about as far as my imagination at that point. Yeah. But I remember vividly being like, that is incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that led me to keep going every weekend, every, yeah.
Holiday and every podcast done this complete like journey of personal transformation.
Emily Peilan: Yeah. Was that, so that was 10 years ago.
Briony: Yeah. That would've been, yeah. Wow. Yes. I was in law for like four years. Yeah. And then I've had Untapped for five years. So about nine years ago. Yeah. That's when I got into law and I knew pretty much straight away.
Yeah. But I, you know, still stayed there for four years, . Wow. So what I got up to was we do all these trainings and seminars basically through, in Yeah. Just really, and, and we talk about, one of the metaphors we use a lot in our work with this type of personal transformation, spiritual development, whatever language you want to use.
Yeah. Is that when Michelangelo created the statue of David? Yeah. They built the statue of David, you know, and they're like, oh, this beautiful masterpiece. You know, how did you create this and. . He was like, well, it was just a big block of stone and I just simply chipped away and chiseled away at everything that wasn't that stone.
. . And then this beautiful statue and masterpiece emerged and we are the same way. We build up all this crap around us. . these fears, these beliefs, these concerns, this programming. It's not really ours. And it takes a while. Like for me, mine was so deep, it was four years of that constant, is this really my definition of success?
Emily Peilan: Yeah. Is this really what I want? Yeah. And then what, at what point were you like, oh no, I've had enough. Like what? Yeah, like what was your exit like trigger ?
Briony: Yeah. I had. So I was still working in law, and this is something I always talk about a lot with clients is like, it's really important to find your own way.
And that's why I think stories are so cool because you hear the restraining like, that might be, but that might be a bit more feasible for me. So I wouldn't have considered myself, and I have to be careful of creating like, limiting beliefs around this. But a traditional entrepreneur, I never really thought I was necessarily gonna have my own company.
Yeah. I always wanted to create impact. Yeah. That was like my number one value was like, I wanna do something impactful and meaningful with my life. That wasn't better from when I was little, so I knew that and I'd do anything to do that. So whether it was working in an organization or starting a company, I was like, okay, like whatever is gonna create impact.
Yeah. And that really led me to then stay in corporate until I felt like I had that calling. . . And until I knew what it was that was gonna be that. So I was like researching jobs, applying for things, interviewing. And doing all this personal growth and in service of impact. Yeah. At the time in New Zealand, there was nothing in the coaching industry.
There's like 50 year old life coaches. It's not a big thing.
Emily Peilan: Still. I don't know, , that could be a whole episode, but we have a strong DIY culture.
Briony: Yeah. Yeah, we do. Yeah. And do it yourself. And people were still really proud about needing support, like everyone's happy to learn. Yeah. I think you said this when we were up for lunch the other day.
Yeah. Everyone loves learning. Yes. Everyone loves getting better. Yeah. But when you have to put your hand up and be like, okay, I might need a little bit of help with this. Yeah. That's a whole different gap. Or like even mention that I,
Emily Peilan: yeah, either you have a problem and you need extra help with it, and then paying somebody to help you is kind of like, dunno, just we
Briony: Yeah.
Have a problem. There's layers of it. Yeah. Because there's like, yeah. Fear of what other people would think. If it's in a group context, there's vulnerability. . Yeah. It's just sometimes pride and I was so proud. Definitely pride. Yeah. And then actually investing in yourself is a wor a worthiness of, well, am I worthy?
Yeah. Of having this support. And for me, on my journey, that was like the, the feminine in me ex, like that feminine energy. Initially it was this wounded like, oh, I don't need help. This helplessness concern is massive. Independence wound. And then eventually I was like, I would love to be supported. always. I love that
Yes, that'd be great. . And I'm happy to pay for that because I'm worth that. Yeah. And I don't want to do life on my own. Yeah. Yeah.
Emily Peilan: And it's funny because like in New Zealand, so we have to pay for a university and education. Nobody has a problem taking out 50, 80, $100,000 worth of like a student loan, but it's like 3000 for, for a coaching course or just anything that would actually like.
Like give you more freedom and teach you so much more. It's like, no, no, no, no. That's 3000. I can't but 10, 10,050. It blows my mind.
Briony: It is, it is. And we have so far to go on the educational model in the world still. Yes. Like the fact that people think and me included, that you graduate and your education is done.
That's wild. That's like, oh my gosh, we are just getting started. Yeah. Like there should be certification after training. Yeah. You know, after that. Yeah. And that's something that's a mindset. Yeah. Because we are kind of taught, you go through the education system, you graduate, you get your job happy life.
Emily Peilan: I also feel like, yeah, the traditional, I, I really didn't like school and university because they hate being taught at it's.
I just, I don't like people telling me what to do, what to learn, how to think. It's like, I enjoy people asking me questions, thought provoking questions, or challenging even like the way I think, like they don't do that enough at university or just education in general. It's just like you are going through school to be better at doing things and being, carrying out instruction basically and doing what you're told, which is just doesn't provoke curiosity.
Briony: No intuition. Yeah. Like that's the, one of the biggest outcomes people get through coaching often is I trust myself, I trust my decisions, I trust who I am. Yes. And that's like most people in, in the program at graduation was. Yeah, that's what I got.
Emily Peilan: Oh my goodness, I love that. No, no. Let's expand on this a little bit.
having conversations with people and they're like, sometimes I, I feel like I used to struggle making decisions cuz I'm like, I used to be so in my head intellectually and now people are like, wow, how do you just make a decision like that? Like it could be a massive decision like, I'm moving or this is her.
Like, I'm gonna stay here. Or, you know, just, this isn't working. It could even be something like, I know what I want for dinner really quickly. And they're like, how do you do that? And I'm like, oh, I just like it. You feel it, it's an intuition thing, but like, go go a little bit further cause you, you do better at this.
But like at, what does that shift between like how can somebody make a decision? Not intuitively . , because I do it and I don't really know why.
Briony: . . Yeah. Which is like, and that's why I. Of dissecting. Yeah. I said, how do we train these intangible skills? How do we build confidence? How do we build intuition?
How do we learn those and, and formulate that into things that people can learn quickly. Yeah. Because like you said, the amazing education system didn't teach me that. And I mean, there's so many things with that, but I think what you created was so powerful of like, you, you do have to get clear on the fact that you have been really conditioned Yeah.
For external in world where all the external input is why we make decisions. Yeah. Like everything from a better pay rise to moving to somewhere that your parents like to buying a house that your partner likes that you don't like. Everything has been externally en created. . . And the, when you really take that veil off and go, oh my gosh.
My experience as well, what? What part of my life is mine? Like, is any of it true for me? It can be super confronting to ask those questions. Yeah. And when you're courageous, you can really start to see, okay, I've been playing the external end game. Yeah. I wanna pay the internal art game, which is when I understand what I want, the external becomes easy.
Yeah. Decisions are like so easy. Yeah. When you have that solid, grounded sense of self because it's internal out, you're just curating your life based on what you're feeling internally. Yeah. Most people go external in, oh, what can I fix, change, edit. Yeah. Update to make me feel a certain way, but we don't even operate that way.
Yeah. So when you're, when you're flipping to playing the paradigm of internal out game . , that's a hundred percent. So much self-awareness of what are my values? Yeah. Is huge. Like literally, what do I actually value in life in this lifetime? Do I value freedom? Yeah. Growth, adventure. Yeah. Contribution.
Anytime you have a decision that you are like up against it. . , you can say as many logical reasons as you want it. Usually under the layer of it, internal art game is an internal values conflict. Yeah. I wanna go travel and have experience freedom, but I want enough money or should do X. Exactly. Yeah.
I wanna have a good career. Yeah. So need to stay for two years or whatever it is. Certainty security. Yeah. Meets freedom. Yeah. And so simply in those moments, the more you like deeply understand your value system and different seasons of your life and what values you want to be living in, it just makes those, those decisions so easy.
You're like, okay, cool. This is, this is what's going on. Yeah. I'm thinking this, but I want to value that. And it can become so simple from there, if you can understand that. At internal those. And like you said, over time, the more decisions you make, the easier they get. And something you mentioned from as big as moving a country.
. to as small as something on a menu. We have this mantra, micro things. Macro results, micro decisions or micro patterns. Macro results. So if you want to change something macro, maybe don't start with moving cities or buying a house. Maybe start with something as simple as what you'll wear. Yeah. And food on the menu because,
Emily Peilan: and trusting yourself with the micro decision so that when it comes to something big, you're like, oh, like you have
practice.
It's muscle.
Briony: Yeah, yeah. Totally. So for the overthinkers out there, we always say like, you have, you get that menu. You don't speak to anyone at the table for all the over analyzers, all the, what's Rachel, Sarah, Michael, you Life. Like, what's cool, what's in, what's her? What's. So true. Not allowed to do that.
Yeah. You sit down, you have three seconds, you look at that menu, you choose that thing, you put the menu to the side done, done. And you learn like a whole new way of being. Yeah. Yeah. I love that.
Emily Peilan: I love that. So like, one of the things I'd love to ask you as well, like success. So we've talked a lot about like, you know, what's the traditional model of success.
So now obviously that's shifted for you. What is like your current definition of success?
Briony: Oh, I love that. So good . I think every six months or so it would be that my partner and I, we redefine and redesign. So we'll do like a life audit looking at each area and will really recreate what that'll mean for us.
And in every different season, we often do choose a different area of life because I think there's sometimes this obsession of being incredibly performing in every area at once. Yeah, it's not possible. It's not possible. . Yeah. And so every six months or so, it's like what area do we want to invest in and do we wanna upgrade and put our time, our energy, and our money into?
And so in that season, of course, that feels like the most important thing. Right now for us. When we left New Zealand, one of our really big intentions was relationships. We really wanted to come overseas and be with expansive thinkers, creators, intellects entrepreneurs, like, like yourself. Like we wanted to come be in the energy of people that wanted to create that That was a missing in our life and something that we'd spent five years building a company.
Everything is online. Yeah. So we had a huge online community and we wanted to come be in proximity with these people. Yeah. And so for us right now, that's like a huge. value. Yeah, that's like a huge success. Like, you know, definer for us is like, are we spending the time with the people that we love lit up by those conversations, you know, those conversations, oh, oh I'm energized right now.
Emily Peilan: This is how I feel like every day, like every, every day I get to be here in Libon, just connecting with people. It's like, it's one of the biggest reasons why I decided to stay. It's like the people and they think people who like challenge the way you think. Like I remember when I first met you and Delaney, we went out, went out for lunch and then we like explored.
I was like, I was like trying to catch up with this conversation . I was so like, oh this is moving so fast. I'm so excited. Like everything's just like you guys dropped so many like gem balls on me.
Briony: And I was like, I need to like get you guys on a
Emily Peilan: podcast and like share this cuz it's just amazing. I love it.
Briony: Yeah. Yeah. And I know those, I know like you just said, we call them a distinction. We have as generative conversations, so. There's a communication distinction that most people live in. Descriptive communication. So how was your weekend? What are you having for lunch? How's your family? Okay. It's all worthwhile.
Yeah. But a lot of people think that's like how we connect, just to describe, to talk about things, people. Okay. Right. Okay. So what's the flip side? Generative. Okay. Where for some reason there's like a energy in the communication. It's generating something. So you're creating something. Yeah. In your communication, whether it's about ideas, concepts, businesses, financial industry, something's getting fostered, created there.
Yeah. And the distinction is often it's quite future focused. Yeah. So generative one's quite future descriptive, past gossip. What's pep last week in you? I mean, yeah, context is rather, but, and generative is creative. Lots of ideas, quite action orientated.
Emily Peilan: I love that. I've never actually, I always knew there was like a distinction, but I've never had the language to actually like categorize that.
Briony: But then what do you think? Like, is it the way people ask questions?
Emily Peilan: Like if they changed it then, or could you attempt to have generative generator Yeah. A conversation with someone, but if their energy isn't there, then it would slide back down. Like is it, it takes both.
Briony: No, for sure. For sure. And because sometimes for particular relationships, colleagues or family members or things people often find, we often find that they're descriptive.
Yeah. And for some reason you don't know why, but they're just a bit boring. Yeah. And you want to disrupt them. You want to change it
up. You want to go deep
deeper. Yeah. Like what is a superficial like. Top. Yeah. But I find sometimes
Emily Peilan: I try to, and with the people who I don't know, don't, aren't used to having that kind of depth of conversation.
They kind of like mildly freak out and bring it back. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. But yeah, no, the conversations that like deeply nourish me are generative conversations that I,
Briony: yeah. And I think no matter where you go, you can be someone who is committed to having generative conversations, whatever context you're in.
And for sure it is important, like some people more available to them than others and reciprocity. Yeah. Because you don't always want to be the person creating that. Yeah. You want to have people that create that with you, that ask those questions and challenge your thinking. And that's like. That.
Emily Peilan: And that's when you like walk away from a conversation.
You're like, wow, I feel so like lit up so energetic. Whereas other times you walk away, you're like, I'm done. I need to crawl into my hole .
Briony: Like, and again, like you were sharing earlier, like that's your intuition, that's your energy guiding you. Yeah. To what's true for you. Yeah. And how many of us just ignore it or think it was me, I think it was something else.
And it's like, it's all, all the answers are literally right there if you give a moment to tune in. Yeah. I'm really tired after that. . Yeah. Again, it might be a sight . Maybe that's not my deepest alignment or the people I'm meant to be with. Yeah,
Emily Peilan: yeah. Yeah. So cool. Okay, so coming back to your story, you left law and then did you like go straight into founding Untapped or did you kind of do it as a side hustle?
Briony: Yes. Well, I don't like, let's not use that one. . Soul Mission. Soul Mission. Yeah. We, so I did. To, I hosted these workshops because I wanted to really bring the impact to our community, our professional community, because everything I was learning, I was like, how do people not know about this? Yeah, this is really gonna help us.
We were all in a similar challenge. We were all really confused. We'd followed, you know, a lot of us were accountants and lawyers and finance background followed similar-ish paths and I knew these tools would help. So I hosted these little workshops at a cafe. I had like 15 pages of notes. I was like sweating.
It was literally my friends that came, you know? Oh, and I remember the first time a random came and I'm like, how did you hear about it? Like, just mind blowing da. It had gone beyond my friends. Oh, my dad
friends. But
I love it. Yeah, you right? Yeah. Yeah. And it is, I think that's where so many things start.
And so, and it was then and having that impact and seeing people connecting and talking about the real stuff at this table to cafe and journaling literally was like 10. Really simple questions on a really ugly pdf that you would be horrified by. But no brain, nothing. Right? Just why Wednesday I called and people were journaling and then we'd talk and we'd share and there was honestly, I was just holding this a space.
I didn't have that language at the time, but I was just fostering this connection and people had all the answers. That's the whole philosophy of coaching. Everyone already has their own answers. No one needs to be told what to do. Yeah, you just literally nourish that and pull that out through deeper questioning conversations.
And that. I did that for like three months. I think it was like 400 young professionals went through it and it was just so awesome and it gave me so much energy. And then, and then, yes, I was still working in a lot and I would do the weekends and I did do some crazy hours. And I always think it's really interesting listening to founders there cuz they're like, oh, I would never work that way again.
A hundred percent. And when you're that mission driven and you're that committed, everything kind of blinkers on you just go usually. Absolutely. So I did do that and I worked weekends and I would get up early and I would go late and our hours were quite big and more building Untapped. And so by the time I decided to leave I think I was only making like 300 odds a week in coaching.
So I had a couple of clients on the side, but it wasn't like enough to live. And I remember I had a job offer no, actually I handed in my resignation and then the very next day in house council rang me and said, Hey, you know, from a big firm and hey, do you want to come work for us on this massive salary, whatever.
I was like, actually, I'm gonna do this coaching thing, . And they were kinda like, wow. Okay. Interesting. Wow. And I always think that when we make these. Minutes. The universe can test you. It can really make his decision. And it was like, do you really want it ?
Emily Peilan: You know? Dang.
Briony: He's like, come on, come on back.
Yeah. And at that moment it was just full trust and I knew that I'd be okay. I think the way I got myself through that level of uncertainty was like, the reality was, I think I said a timeline. I said, you have six months to give it a go. Like to myself, I think I'd only save like $10,000 at the time, which would be enough for a runway.
But I knew at six months you could still go back to a law job. Like totally. In reality, that was enough to motivate me to never go back. Yeah, , but I'm not going back, but I can go back.
Emily Peilan: But then makes a difference to know you've got a safety net. I have to say, that's the same with me. Like I could always go back to.
But I was never going. That was Plan Z.
Briony: Yeah, yeah. . Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it, even for the mind though, we were going to so much fear around failing or what if and all of it. It's like, yes Anne, you'll be fine. Like you can literally just go back. So I think that gave me a sense of safety and a runway. But the very next day I sat down in my laptop was like, I have no idea how to bit of business
Like, not even joking. I knew how to coach. True. That's a great coach. Yeah. I knew how to coach. I'd done thousands of on my own development trainings, all sorts of things. Yeah. But I literally had no idea how to put . I remember sitting at my little laptop at the cafe, you know, the classic like Frio, you know, freedom Entrepreneur.
Yeah. Amazing. I don't really know what to do, , because really what I'd been doing was just networking and meeting potential clients and things, but I hadn't really like started building the business as such. Yeah. Yeah. That's
Emily Peilan: I think where so many people are at as well when they're like, oh, I love this. I have this passion.
I want to take. What? Just if they're creatives or they're coaches and they're like, okay, I wanna actually make this a business. But then it's like, wow, this is so much harder. And not to put anyone off starting your own business, but like, it's a lot of work. , it's hard. There's so many things you have to think about.
Marketing,
Briony: marketing, sales,
Emily Peilan: traffic set. Yeah. All the things. Yeah.
Briony: So how did you navigate that ? I, that's probably one of my biggest lessons is I wish that I got proper business mentorship earlier. Yeah. I wish that I. really did go and seek out those fundamentals of learning business. Regardless. My path was my path and I coached and I developed my network and built programs.
I, that was my one solid thing. I was really good at delivery and product development and building programs. And everything was just kind of self-taught. There was so much overwhelm because the learning curve is so steep. And I think some people love business. Some people have been growing up in entrepreneurial families.
My family's written the professions, teachers, lawyers. No one had been an entrepreneur. I'd never seen people in business really modeled to me. So I had no background of what that would take. I had no exposure to it. I've never read a business book in my life and that's a completely different way of thinking actually.
It really is. Yeah, it really is. And that was such a journey, I think, regardless. So I think getting business fundamental support early. Life changing when I learn about marketing things and sales and things. I was like, oh, I get it. Yeah. Actually it was kind of the easier part. I get it. That makes more sense with a roadmap and structures.
Yeah. So I wish I had done that earlier, but, but then when you say
Emily Peilan: co like the coaching that you had kind of been that the world of coaching you were in was more like self-coaching, personal coaching rather
Briony: than business coaching? Exactly. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I hadn't had a business coach, lot of self-development personal expansion, and at the same time it's all perfect because that was what made me so solid in myself.
Yeah. Like, I trusted my intuition. I knew what I was really good at. And that's another thing with a lot of entrepreneurs and anyone listening who is wanting to start something or create something, it's like, know your strengths. Yeah. Like, know who you are, know what you bring, and know your strengths and trust them because everyone can give you a million piece of advice.
Is advice of what to focus on. Yeah. And no one will ever deliver it or execute it the way that you do. . . So when you truly know, like I knew what I was solid at in delivery and with clients and I just 20 x million , I was like, like I'm really good at this. I'm terrible there. Don't build my business through that.
Like I'll, I'll be successful through this. Yeah. And that and that. I think that's any of my friends or really successful entrepreneurs, I know that's something that's so solid in Yeah. They know their zone of genius. They know what they're good at, they know what they're not good at. They outsource the rest and they don't try and be an expert in all of it.
I love that. And it really, yeah, for me that was huge as well.
Emily Peilan: That's so interesting cuz you, I'm like the opposite of you. I like got into it and I was like, okay, I need to learn all the strategies, all the business like, because I thought that was what was gonna like make a business successful. Right. Like marketing, sales, strategy, all the things.
Right. And then what I've slowly found over time is like doing more of the personal work, the deeper work, getting to know yourself, your strengths and what you're good at admitting that you suck at this X, Y, z. For me, it's like data numbers, analysis and everything. I'll say I can do it, but I'm actually really bad at it.
And I was like, oh, . Hated admitting that to myself. But yeah, and then also just asking for help then, like not doing everything yourself and pushing aside that pride. And the more self-work that I do the more direction I have in my business and the, the, the more it grows in the way that feels aligned as well.
And so that's interesting. Like, so there's no right way to do it. It's kind of like what you need at that time.
Briony: Right, exactly. And you find what you need. Like if you come across a personal growth program and you feel cool to it, amazing. There's a reason. Go. If you see a business training you think that could be interesting or relevant for me, perfect.
Like a hundred percent. These things come into your path and your journey when you need them. And I have seen exactly what you created there. It's like the opposite. People learn all the strategies but they don't have any self-belief. Yeah. Or their money mindset is terrible and they're undercharging. And again, if you don't do that inner worth, that inner work on confidence, on money mindset, on all these elements, trusting yourself, receivership, learning to rest, like these are all things that are like fundamental to being a successful entrepreneur.
So entrepreneur. Yeah. And what actually, like
Emily Peilan: when my business actually took off was when
Briony: I started to do that work.
Emily Peilan: Yeah. And not just look for answers outside, but like you are like so solid in, in you and Yeah. Bringing that out. So like now, cuz I know that you do a lot on like money mindset, wealth energetics now also like relationships and what, so like what?
Was that because of like you realizing you didn't know how to start a business and then you kind of found this world like really exciting and you decided to like kind of teach that? Cause I feel like you, you specialize in in that as well. No.
Briony: Yeah, that's for some reason I have no idea why money and wealth was such, it was like source, universe, whatever you believe in, like you are gonna talk, you are also gonna be really amazing.
Kind. Kind of random. Because, because did you start off wanting to do that? No, no. Not at all. So initially it was like all around alignment, around truly helping people uncover what they want to create around getting ideas into the world. Like a lot of our clients have launched all their businesses and are all full time in them.
And it was all about this like greater mission and purpose and really having people live in alignment. And still a lot of it is. And then what happened? I think, well, for me it was actually a barrier I had to overcome. It was kind of one of my tests that was the universe was also like, oh, you want to go do this thing?
Well, you need to deal with this area of life. So basically in the sense of I'd always spend lived on credit card debt, had no idea about money, never got top money at school. You know, it was always my stomach. Oh no, like this helpless, weird energy. No responsibility around it. Lot of blame, lot of guilt, lot of, let's just not talk about that avoidance.
Absolutely. And when I then have my mission or my calling come into my life around coaching, , I couldn't avoid it. It was like this huge barrier in front of my face. I was like, oh, I'm just like, look over here. And life was like, you are gonna deal with this area now because you've avoided it and it's gonna literally block you from creating what you want to create.
And it was really confronting. But I, for me, then I went on this radical journey of like radical self responsibility with finances, healing all my past pain with it, forgiving myself for all the things I did or didn't do. Learn from some of the best people in the world around investing and all of it. And I was just like, let's go.
Like I'm gonna transform this area. And another huge thing for me that connected for me was I always have this belief that you could never do things you love and be spiritual and contribute to humanity and make money. They lived in different worlds. Yeah. And I was working with a coach and she was like, they are, they are like literally one and the same.
And we did this process to really, and it completely brought them together for me. Wow. For like, oh my gosh, I'm never gonna make my impact if I don't. I have income. It's my resources. Yeah. And when that clicked, I was like, I have to have heaps of this. Like I have to have plenty because we've got a huge mission.
Like I wanna be able to give money away. I wanna have communities I wanna donate to. Like I don't want to be hindered in my impact and the way I wanna live because this freaking thing called money. Yeah. And so what happened there was like this really left brain masculine element of like money, okay, I get it.
Spreadsheets, move it here, do this. This is the game of money. Yeah. I understood it. Sales, all of it. But then the more feminine element came in for me of like this deep connection to the energy of money and being well resourced in your mission. And I also think as creators, as artists, as creators, there is like this broke, creative, broke soul entrepreneur like
Emily Peilan: kind of narrative.
Like third starving artist. Yeah.
Briony: Yeah. And it's just so not true. Like for those who really want to contribute or. give something to the world is like, we have to put our oxygen mask on first and have all our needs taken care of. Yeah. And be so well resourced in that mission. And that is why the money mindset came into my work because I started supporting people to get onto this journey of alignment.
And the very next thing that used to smack them in the face was money. Yeah. And they were like, I've got debt. I can't do this. Like I can't leap. I've got $50,000 debt. And I'm like, shit, okay. All right. We need to deal with that. Or they've got these crazy, incredible visions and then they're like, oh, but I'll never have the money to do it.
And it was just, it was this block. This block every time. And so it's heartbreaking. Yeah. Because for a couple of reasons. Like there's so much personal work that has to go into healing with money to be worthy of it. Yeah. There's so much judgment and shame that people carry. . And then there's also just the left brain logistics of money.
Yeah. And once people were learning that, and I was like working with people like get that going, they were off on their missions.
Emily Peilan: So that, that's actually how it came to be part of our work and kind of a fundamental pillar, because that was like such a big block for so many people wanting to like realize
Briony: a bigger vision.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And people have these like incredible visions that come through in me, DOA Visualing modules and the programs and things, and they'll go, but I'm never gonna be able to afford it.
Emily Peilan: Yeah. Sad. Yeah. I mean, like one of the big things as well, I, from your three day welcomes workshop, it was really interesting, was
Briony: I've done my money mindset myself and I was like, oh, I'm just curious, you know?
Emily Peilan: I'm just curious, like what else is there to learn or to consider and to think about? And one of the things that came up was like this, this idea of like, safety or nervous system as well. And it never occurred to me that it might not actually feel safe to hold a lot of money or it might not feel safe to like not have a loan or not be, I don't know, say an overdraft or something for, and I was like, that's mind flowing, that you don't feel safe in that for either, for myself personally, to hold a lot and then for so many other people.
And it's, it's like, yeah. So that was massive.
Briony: It's, yeah, and it's, it is different from mine because mindset at the level of, that's where it started for me as well, was this conversation money mindset. Like what do I believe about money? Oh, I judge money, rich people are assholes, whatever. Yeah. And it was all mindset and beliefs and it's really.
Perfect. I think it's perfect to start there and uncover those. And then when you go deeper, there is the more in your body somatic, like why am I repelling this? And it is, it is a sense of safety like, and that is a much more feminine perspective of money as well because it lives in our body and it's like an allowance of like, you know what?
It's actually safe for me to be successful. It's safe for me to hold, well, it's safe for me to be a good steward of money. And when you are in deep co-creation with the energy of money, like she literally wants to hang out with you, you know? Yeah. But there's money freaking everywhere. There's plenty of it.
They printed daily. There's plenty of that. And she wants to be in partnership. But we have got this experience internally like, oh no, it's just, you know, I can't trust myself. There's so many blocks I can't trust myself. I can't have too much excess of it. I feel guilty. What does that mean for other people who have less?
Like there's a lot of things that have us feel. Unsafe to hold there much. Yeah. And even like
Emily Peilan: on another note, it's like when people think, oh,
Briony: money mindset, basically you
are greedy. You just want to know how to make more money like that. I think that's what a lot of people think about when you say, I don't know, I'm doing a course or money mindset or you know, wanna work on my money mindset.
People are like, oh, you just want to know how to make more money. It's like, well , you're missing the point here. Yeah. You know? Cause it's so much more than that. It's like really healing your relationship, even just with your beliefs, what you grew up with and, and moving your whole life basically is money is your resource.
No,
it's like it is. It is. Like we get resources of time, of our vitality and energy and money. It is simply a resource to be circulated. when Yeah. Like that left logical part of making more money. Sure. There's loads of trainings on that. I think it's, and but the energetics of it, like feeling connected to it, feeling like you know what you want to do with it.
Yeah. Like the world you wanna see with money. Every dollar you spend is a vote for the world you wanna see.
Emily Peilan: Yeah. Literally. And it's not just spreadsheets and like cutting down your lattes on all the things. It's like the relationship, it's like the more, yeah. Like you said, the feminine energy that the intuitive
Briony: way Oh.
Dealing with and hands down, like the things that you can create and do when you have those resources, like hiring a team. Yeah. Most terrifying, but exciting thing, like literally the gift of being able to pay someone to be part of your mission and like serve the mission. It's just, it's a gift.
Emily Peilan: Yeah. I love that.
I love that. The next question I wanted to ask you was like, what is the, what was the hardest thing for you, like growing your business, scaling it and if that was like financial, was it growing a team?
Briony: Yeah. I think when we talk about scaling, there's, you can't scale yourself. So like, having a team is like fundamental to bringing any vision to life.
And I think something that's incredible about having a team is you get accountability and you get this whole energy behind your mission. So that when it came to the point that I was kept at my capacity and my time and my skillsets, and then I had adjusted my offerings, tweaked them into more scalable ways, you know, created group croach trainings, other things I knew at that point I was like, right, this is it.
This is, this is the business that I could build. There's nothing wrong with this business either. And I think for some people your vision might be like, this is great, like half a million, couple hundred thousand, this is perfect. Like, this is me. I'm happy with this. Awesome. For me, myself was like, yeah, no, we're not done.
Like, like honestly crying to my coach, the car. I'm just like, I just can't, that that would be a nice lot in life now, you know? And I knew, I knew everything in my soul was like, yeah, but we're not, and we're gonna go to the next evolution. And so there, there comes a point at that if you feel called to scale, where obviously you yourself aren't scalable, you have to have a team and building a, but building a team was a wild journey.
I don't think you ever feel ready to build a team, like in the sense of when your first hires was the craziest thing, paying someone and you never feel even enough cash flow. And that's kind of the whole point is like, sure, do some financial projections and things, but the reality is you're buying back your time and you are putting people into, you know, areas of the business or whatever that you're not as skilled at.
But I have made so many mistakes with building a team, to be honest. Like we have a phenomenal team and we've also had a transitionary team because we've changed so much time as a business and what we offer and how we operate and. It was yeah, I, I realized a few things. One of the first mistakes I actually made building a team was I outsourced a lot of what I love because I couldn't even fathom that people would want to do the things in the business that I hated that much.
I, so I just kept doing them cause I was like, no one's gonna want do that. And so what were some of those things? Oh, social media. Oh, . I was like, no one's gonna want to do that. Like, who, who else we want to, I'll just keep doing social media. And then I brought in like delivery, like we built a team of like, 12 coaches, like trainers, deliver, helping deliver all our things.
And that's like literally what I love most. And meanwhile, I'm over here still going social media. So I think it was my first thing was like I didn't, and I, I think maybe it was like limitations thoughts, but also self worth of me being allowed to be fully in my zone of genius. And that be that. And.
everything else can be taken care of. And that was a journey for me in my building a team, but also my personal life. . , because the, the more limited my time and energy became, the more I had to be like, I don't actually want to clean my house on the weekends. And suddenly I was like, I'm gonna get a cleaner.
And it, so it actually translated to my whole life and business of like, Hey Briony, you don't actually have to do that. You're making yourself do that hard stuff. So that was the first thing building a team was learning to get really clear on what is my zone of genius and then what are the things I'm terrible by?
You can just do an order exercise for a week and just track what's my zone of genius, my zone of excellence, my zone of competence by zone incompetence, like really bad and I shouldn't be doing it and you know, things, I'm okay at things, I'm good. But they're not my biggest value to the company and the zone of genius is things you're extraordinary atd.
You should just stay in there. Yeah. And that took me a long time in the last few years of having a team of learning more and more to honor that. And we talked about that earlier of like entrepreneurs, like really knowing yourself. And so that was the first one. And then the second discovery I had building a team was like, I was terrible at delegation.
Terrible delegator, like unbeliev, unbeliev bad. We never really learn how to like delegate effectively. So I just assumed they knew, had context, wouldn't set things up properly. It was chaotic. Like we had a Slack team, like everyone would operate on Slack. It was just always going nonstop and their.
Learning how to really effectively delegate and set people up to win. . . And that for me was the hardest pill to swallow when I realized I was a fantastic leader and galvanizer and holding the vision and steadfast and, and making intuitive decisions, being that kind of center of the company and that sense.
But I was a terrible people manager. Like so bad. Like, because you were like, I was crying on the meetings, you know, like, I don't know what's happening here. So like, what is happening? I don't even know what I'm doing right now, but but how many people were on the team? So at that point we would've had like 12 people.
That's 12. Yeah. Delivery coaches and five in the core operations team. It was like the biggest scale of it. And I was doing all the people management.
Emily Peilan: Oh my goodness. That, that's a full-time job in itself.
Briony: It was. And suddenly my love for being a coach and being in delivery. Was gone. And I was like, I had no joy because I was just doing all this people management.
Wow. And that was massive. And again, I at that point thought I had to do that and be the one to do that same pattern in a different context. And because you're like, it's
my business. I'm like the center
boy . Yeah. I'm meant to be the leader. This is what I'm meant. I think this is what I'm meant to do.
Well I should know what you should be doing . Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And this kind of weird dynamic that happens and I think that's really common for a lot of people stepping into leadership is thinking you have to do it or, or be it. Or like the whole point of building a team is like flat hierarchy. We're all in this
Yeah. I hired you cuz you know more than me. Like that was the best thing, that pride element of learning to become like so okay with, I literally know nothing about any of these areas that I'm hiring you in. And that's why we hiring with Yeah. And that was. So liberating to let that control go and then give myself permission not to do that anymore.
And I had a beautiful integrator at the time who just stepped straight into that role, which was incredible at it, like, you know, amazing setting them up for training, like just all over it. Absolutely amazing. Designed to be in that role and that gave me permission to go back to my zone of genius.
Yeah. And many different transition times with the company. I think a lot of founders, and I've seen this with clients I've worked with, they end up going back into those roles because they have to, because something's happened in the company or whatever it is. Yeah. I've seen it with people who own cafes.
They're like, oh, COVID cab. And I had to get back on the floor. And it's like, awesome. I know as a founder, sometimes you just, you've gotta get back in, you know how you've basically bootstrapped everything so you know how to do it. Yeah. But then at some point you need to get yourself back out. Yeah.
Because you will lose your passion, your flow, your commitment. If you, if you operate outside of your zone of genius and. , it's really about honoring like at a deep energy to temple. Like you really matter and it really matters that you are in your highest Yeah. Vision. Yeah. And potential. And it, and no one doesn't matter if you own a company or not, should have to be in those places where they're not.
Emily Peilan: Definitely. And and like also cuz we had a few conversations about hiring as well, which has been really interesting. And something that really clicked for me
was when I think
it was either you or Delaney said you are not delegating tasks or you should avoid delegating tasks. You'd be delegating like roles or responsibilities.
And that comes with like more empowerment for that person who's stepping into it as well. But it's also like, like I don't think I'm a very good people manager, I'll be honest. . And it's also like finding how, how do you even know if this is the right person to, to bring on as well. Yeah. How did you go?
Cuz I'm sure everybody goes through like. Not so great hires before they find their person. Like did you have a few success session of those and then like how did you end up honing and like knowing who was good to hire?
Briony: Definitely. Yeah. I can take full responsibility that some of those hires were a hundred percent our fault because we weren't clear as a company what we needed.
And it wasn't, it wasn't clear enough, it wasn't created powerfully. Like you said, like the best absolute, the best thing when you create a role is like learn how to write role descriptions. Who is this person? What is the purpose of their role? What is the intention? What is the breakdown of all of their accountabilities and their responsibilities?
And then the tasks. And they, with us, like our team now, they come in and they get that, they get created, who they are for us, who we are for them, what their role is, what their purpose is, their mission, their responsibilities. And then they can set up their recurring task list or whatever, weekly, however they want, like.
it is none of our business how they all, every, every one of our team members had their own reoccurring weekly checklists that we all do for whatever we are responsible for in the company. I have no oversight of anyone's like that's on each of us to then design the way that we want to hold those responsibilities and commitments.
So that for us, like that was on us initially, some of those hires. And then the other component that's really, really critical that again, I could have done earlier was just really understanding your company's values. Because you can hire, you can train any skill set, but you can't train values. Yeah.
You cannot train someone to care about radical responsibility if they don't . Very true. They just don't, they don't have it as a value. And it's, that can create so much conflict in a team if you have someone that's really not values aligned. And that was another piece. So we did the, about. Two years ago now, we did the whole Untapped values journey.
So obviously we have personal values as a founder, as yourself, all of that. And then actually having your company values and spending time being like, what do we stand for? Who's extraordinary in our team and why? Like why do we, why is that person a pillar of what this company stands for? And really starting to dissect those values so that when you hire it, you can look for those straight away.
Cuz once you have those skill sets, it truly is super easy. And you know, obviously like depending on the role, like particular traits that that person has is more important. So we do a couple of assessments as well now. Not any other stupid psychographic or whatever they call them, those, the dumb ones.
Emily Peilan: We don't try to get into more , but more, to be honest, more human design.
Personality oriented.
Briony: Yeah. Yeah. How we, how, where would they fit in a team? There's one called Working Genius that's really great and it's how hard a team would take something from idea to. Execution and where you get two primary profiles. Yeah. Where you would sit, where this person would sit on that journey.
Oh, are they like innovator and a wanderer? Awesome. Then they're gonna, you know, do what Delaney does and disrupt the company with a million ideas. , we love them or are they tenacious down the seat? Are they're the one who's gonna chase it. Front tag, everyone gets something. And your company, in order to get things from innovation to execution, needs to go all the way along that working genius.
And if you have a company that's far too tenacious, that we know innovation and if you have too many innovators and wonder is that we nothing done . Yeah. So we do a couple of those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Emily Peilan: And it's interesting because like you andela, like you are both very entrepreneurial, but you kind of have different roles in the company.
And one of the things you guys talked about when we were at lunch, which I love this, this trio, this like magic trio. So like I, I'm gonna leave that to you to explain, but like, basically. Creator, entrepreneur integrated it.
Briony: . operating. Yep. Yeah. Yep. So the, yeah, this was, and this was fantastic. This was like another thing I learned in business trainings to again, understand where you fit and it's there's a few different concepts of it or distinctions of it.
I think that EMyth is a book, a business book that talks about it a little bit as well. And then Tony Robbins business training. So I think it's been replicated across different things, but it's basically the perfect triangle to any company or any what you're creating. And if you're a solo entrepreneur, listening, like understanding what one you are and then hiring the other ones is really important at the beginning.
So the creator is the one of us who are just like, leave us alone. Let us tinker. We are gonna make things look pretty. We're gonna make things. We are quite perfectionist tendencies often, like we we're just curating, designing custom, like customizing. And we usually have the creators, I'm a creator, have the most connection to the client.
Us. So we are often the most connected to what's going on, what the client would want, how are you gonna tinker that offering? And that's the creator. And they're fantastic at building really great products and services, like top high, high class premium. And then the entrepreneur is the visionary.
Entrepreneurs like seeing the whole system, seeing how to scale really quickly, obsess with scalability. That's dela. I just wanna make a very great program, you know, and he's like, it's not scalable. And I'm like, I don't care. It's gonna be the most transformational program with five people. You know, he's like, it's not scalable.
And so there's always, but it's really important to have both because otherwise you do end up in these kind of cycles and rabbit holes. And so the entrepreneur is, they are cross pollinators. They see across industries, they think it's scale and they think in problems. They think in problems and needs in a very different like mindset.
They care more about the front end funnels. Finances, scalability, that high end impact. And you need, if you aren't that person and you're a creator, then you often do need a business coach who will be pulling you up to think that way. Yeah. And that's what was really great for me when I got mentorship is initially I hung out with heaps of other coaches, but we were all creators and it was like I needed someone who thought, like an entrepreneur who was like, how many customers do we have?
What are we doing with that? But like they thought, how can we reach more people as well? Yeah, yeah. So you are the creator. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And then de my partner dela is the entrepreneur. So yeah. Much, much more about scale and then you have the operator who thinks in systems. I have quite a systematic brain from like a background in law, so I do like operationalizing things, but the operator is the person who you say, this is the vision and they turn it into a system.
And that's another thing early on that we were pretty good at Untapped, but like we have like an incredible system, standard operating procedure manual. Or for everything. Like you wanna host a masterclass, here's every 30 point checklist with all the templates like done, and the operator thinks like that.
And everything that gets done in the company, the operator knows how to systematize it. And it doesn't matter where you're in business, you can do that so early on because then it just makes hiring so much easier. But like when you have the system. So yeah, that's the trio. Yeah. Nice. And now you have an integrator, you've got like all three.
Yeah. So we have, yeah, D sits an entrepreneur and disrupts everything. , he's, he's constantly bringing that greater vision of like, you know, what else do our customers need? Is there other companies here that we could be starting? Like every day it's a new company. For me a little bit, to be completely honest, overwhelm me a lot at the start and still kind of does.
Cause I'm so deep in my little tinker and creator making nice programs. But they, they're really important to think at that high level and really challenge your thinking. Yeah. Yeah. And then hiring an integrated, an integrator is a term that is basically, it's quite a new term that's being used. It's not a va like a virtual assistant or an ea, it's the type of person who can sit the visionary.
Like if you are more a visionary, like seeing the vision creating, but then you struggle to bring it into the fived kind of world, 3D And integrator will sit with you and be like, let's turn this into a plan basically. And a system. Yeah. You know, so that might be like, oh, I have a vision of my coaching company being like this.
It's like, awesome. We need to break that. All right. Down to launches, financials, systems, events. And they just, yeah. They have a much more operationalized brains. Definitely different from a va.
Emily Peilan: Yeah. Even in the way they kind of, you, you communicate, it's almost like sometimes they expect to be given tasks, whereas maybe an integrator has not always, but probably has an entrepreneurial side to them as well and they can kind of take an idea, take initiative and experiment and be confident in that like experimentation
Briony: and take responsibility as well there.
Huge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they're a lot of problem solving.
Emily Peilan: Mm. How amazing was that episode guys? I am. Still buzzing and feeling so inspired from our conversation and wanted to share a few amazing resources that Briony has on her Untapped website. And basically, if you are into self-growth and you are looking to go even deeper with yourself in business confidence or money mindset she has a, an amazing hub of free resources.
You can find that over on Untapped.nz. She also has a collection of incredible workshops, masterclass trainings and courses. I'll link her websites. Down in the show notes below, I actually signed up for her Three-Day Wealth Energetics workshop myself. And it's funny because I thought I'd done a lot of money mindset work already, but it was very humbling to, to realize that I still had so much to learn.
And yeah, that, that was a great workshop and I can highly, highly recommend you check that out. And we have part two coming up as well. So if you enjoyed this episode go ahead and listen to part two. Hope you have a beautiful day, and I'll see you over on the next episode Ciao.
